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杨秀清给盖勒麦船长的问题(英文版)  

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d of clothes he wears? Whether his first wife was the Celestial mother, the same that brought forth the Celestial elder Brother Jesus? Whether he has had any other son born to him since the birth of Jesus his first born? Whether he has had but one son, or whether, like us mortals, a great many sons? Whether he is able to compose verse? How rapidly can he compose verse? How fierce his disposition is? How great his liberality is? -Your nations having worshipped God and Jesus for so long a time, does any one among you know, How tall Jesus is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? What kind of beard he grows? Of wa
d of clothes he wears? Whether his first wife was the Celestial mother, the same that brought forth the Celestial elder Brother Jesus? Whether he has had any other son born to him since the birth of Jesus his first born? Whether he has had but one son, or whether, like us mortals, a great many sons? Whether he is able to compose verse? How rapidly can he compose verse? How fierce his disposition is? How great his liberality is? -Your nations having worshipped God and Jesus for so long a time, does any one among you know, How tall Jesus is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? What kind of beard he grows? Of wa杨秀清给盖勒麦船长的问题(英文版) - 萨苏博客 - 萨苏的博客
神学的,所的答案是众人一齐努力之后凑出来的。饶是如此,我们也知道了一个这样的事实 -- 这位东王所问的所有问题,面对《新约》和《旧约》,都是莫名其妙的。显然,自称亲奉上帝命令来凡间的太平天国东王,连看看基督教最基础的经典这样的表面功夫,也是没有作过的。 然而,我们因为这个就可以嘲笑杨秀清吗?我认为是不应该的。因为在那个时代,封建王朝的皇帝对外国人也是持敬而远之的态度的,一般士大夫,要么盲目排外,要么俯首屈膝,真正能够平静地,睁着眼睛面对洋人的凤毛麟角,掌国大臣中不过是清政府有李鸿章,太平天国有杨秀清而已。尽管杨秀清的水平有问题,试图和英国人沟通的方法也不对头,没有做到知己知彼,但有和“洋人”交往的勇气和行动,而不是将其视作魔鬼,躲得越远越好,已经是满了不起的了。 敢于把门打开的人,总是勇者。 [完] Jonathan D. Spence的《God’s Chinese Son》一书,记录了东王问题的英文版本

1853年,杨秀清曾经向来访的英国舰长盖勒麦询问了一些有关基督教的问题,而对方也进行了积极的回应,结果 – 仍然是鸡同鸭讲…… Jonathan D. Spence的《God’s Chinese Son》一书,记录了东王问题的英文版本 1853年,杨秀清曾经向来访的英国舰长盖勒麦询问了一些有关基督教的问题,而对方也进行了积极的回应,结果 – 仍然是鸡同鸭讲…… 在太平天国的历史上,杨秀清和盖勒麦船长的书信往来只是颇有些戏剧性的一页。由于对话中双方立场和价值观相去甚远,让人觉得整个对话更像一个玩笑。有些话,比如“上帝原配是我们天母,即生天兄耶稣这个老妈否?”“耶稣元配是我们天嫂否?”听来很有些郭德刚的风格,于是,有人认为这种事儿闹不好是满清弄出来,丑化太平天国形象糊弄老百姓的。 不过,参考外文文献,会发现这事儿真实发生的可能性很大,除非清政府神通广大,能够驱使英国人为自己做宣传工作。 在英国出版的《Gods Chinese Son》一书中,用英文记录了当时的问答,要是翻译过来,东王的问题和流传下来的中文版本基本是一致的,只是三十问以后英方没有完整记录。 看看东王这些问题,是不是很有些英国诗歌的感觉? How tall God is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? How large his abdomen is? What kind of beard he grows? How long his beard is? What cap he wears? What kin

在太平天国的历史上,杨秀清和盖勒麦船长的书信往来只是颇有些戏剧性的一页。由于对话中双方立场和价值观相去甚远,让人觉得整个对话更像一个玩笑。有些话,比如“上帝原配是我们天母,即生天兄耶稣这个老妈否?”“耶稣元配是我们天嫂否?”听来很有些郭德刚的风格,于是,有人认为这种事儿闹不好是满清弄出来,丑化太平天国形象糊弄老百姓的。
d of clothes he wears? Whether his first wife was the Celestial mother, the same that brought forth the Celestial elder Brother Jesus? Whether he has had any other son born to him since the birth of Jesus his first born? Whether he has had but one son, or whether, like us mortals, a great many sons? Whether he is able to compose verse? How rapidly can he compose verse? How fierce his disposition is? How great his liberality is? -Your nations having worshipped God and Jesus for so long a time, does any one among you know, How tall Jesus is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? What kind of beard he grows? Of wa
不过,参考外文文献,会发现这事儿真实发生的可能性很大,除非清政府神通广大,能够驱使英国人为自己做宣传工作。

在英国出版的《God's Chinese Son》一书中,用英文记录了当时的问答,要是翻译过来,东王的问题和流传下来的中文版本基本是一致的,只是三十问以后英方没有完整记录。d of clothes he wears? Whether his first wife was the Celestial mother, the same that brought forth the Celestial elder Brother Jesus? Whether he has had any other son born to him since the birth of Jesus his first born? Whether he has had but one son, or whether, like us mortals, a great many sons? Whether he is able to compose verse? How rapidly can he compose verse? How fierce his disposition is? How great his liberality is? -Your nations having worshipped God and Jesus for so long a time, does any one among you know, How tall Jesus is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? What kind of beard he grows? Of wa

看看东王这些问题,是不是很有些英国诗歌的感觉?

How tall God is, or how broad?
What his appearance or color is?
How large his abdomen is?d of clothes he wears? Whether his first wife was the Celestial mother, the same that brought forth the Celestial elder Brother Jesus? Whether he has had any other son born to him since the birth of Jesus his first born? Whether he has had but one son, or whether, like us mortals, a great many sons? Whether he is able to compose verse? How rapidly can he compose verse? How fierce his disposition is? How great his liberality is? -Your nations having worshipped God and Jesus for so long a time, does any one among you know, How tall Jesus is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? What kind of beard he grows? Of wa
What kind of beard he grows?
How long his beard is?
What cap he wears?d of clothes he wears? Whether his first wife was the Celestial mother, the same that brought forth the Celestial elder Brother Jesus? Whether he has had any other son born to him since the birth of Jesus his first born? Whether he has had but one son, or whether, like us mortals, a great many sons? Whether he is able to compose verse? How rapidly can he compose verse? How fierce his disposition is? How great his liberality is? -Your nations having worshipped God and Jesus for so long a time, does any one among you know, How tall Jesus is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? What kind of beard he grows? Of wa
What kind of clothes he wears?
Whether his first wife was the Celestial mother, the same that brought forth the Celestial elder Brother Jesus?
Whether he has had any other son born to him since the birth of Jesus his first born?d of clothes he wears? Whether his first wife was the Celestial mother, the same that brought forth the Celestial elder Brother Jesus? Whether he has had any other son born to him since the birth of Jesus his first born? Whether he has had but one son, or whether, like us mortals, a great many sons? Whether he is able to compose verse? How rapidly can he compose verse? How fierce his disposition is? How great his liberality is? -Your nations having worshipped God and Jesus for so long a time, does any one among you know, How tall Jesus is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? What kind of beard he grows? Of wa
Whether he has had but one son, or whether, like us mortals, a great many sons?
Whether he is able to compose verse?
How rapidly can he compose verse?
How fierce his disposition is?
How great his liberality is?
-Your nations having worshipped God and Jesus for so long a time, does any one among you know, Jonathan D. Spence的《God’s Chinese Son》一书,记录了东王问题的英文版本 1853年,杨秀清曾经向来访的英国舰长盖勒麦询问了一些有关基督教的问题,而对方也进行了积极的回应,结果 – 仍然是鸡同鸭讲…… 在太平天国的历史上,杨秀清和盖勒麦船长的书信往来只是颇有些戏剧性的一页。由于对话中双方立场和价值观相去甚远,让人觉得整个对话更像一个玩笑。有些话,比如“上帝原配是我们天母,即生天兄耶稣这个老妈否?”“耶稣元配是我们天嫂否?”听来很有些郭德刚的风格,于是,有人认为这种事儿闹不好是满清弄出来,丑化太平天国形象糊弄老百姓的。 不过,参考外文文献,会发现这事儿真实发生的可能性很大,除非清政府神通广大,能够驱使英国人为自己做宣传工作。 在英国出版的《Gods Chinese Son》一书中,用英文记录了当时的问答,要是翻译过来,东王的问题和流传下来的中文版本基本是一致的,只是三十问以后英方没有完整记录。 看看东王这些问题,是不是很有些英国诗歌的感觉? How tall God is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? How large his abdomen is? What kind of beard he grows? How long his beard is? What cap he wears? What kin
How tall Jesus is, or how broad?
What his appearance or color is?
What kind of beard he grows? Jonathan D. Spence的《God’s Chinese Son》一书,记录了东王问题的英文版本 1853年,杨秀清曾经向来访的英国舰长盖勒麦询问了一些有关基督教的问题,而对方也进行了积极的回应,结果 – 仍然是鸡同鸭讲…… 在太平天国的历史上,杨秀清和盖勒麦船长的书信往来只是颇有些戏剧性的一页。由于对话中双方立场和价值观相去甚远,让人觉得整个对话更像一个玩笑。有些话,比如“上帝原配是我们天母,即生天兄耶稣这个老妈否?”“耶稣元配是我们天嫂否?”听来很有些郭德刚的风格,于是,有人认为这种事儿闹不好是满清弄出来,丑化太平天国形象糊弄老百姓的。 不过,参考外文文献,会发现这事儿真实发生的可能性很大,除非清政府神通广大,能够驱使英国人为自己做宣传工作。 在英国出版的《Gods Chinese Son》一书中,用英文记录了当时的问答,要是翻译过来,东王的问题和流传下来的中文版本基本是一致的,只是三十问以后英方没有完整记录。 看看东王这些问题,是不是很有些英国诗歌的感觉? How tall God is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? How large his abdomen is? What kind of beard he grows? How long his beard is? What cap he wears? What kin
Of waht color his beard is?
What kind of cap and clothes he wears?
Whether his first wife was our elder sister?
How many children he has had?
Of what age is his eldest son?
How many daughters has he had?
Of what age is his eldest daughter?
How many grandsons has God at this moment?
How many granddaughters has God at this moment?d of clothes he wears? Whether his first wife was the Celestial mother, the same that brought forth the Celestial elder Brother Jesus? Whether he has had any other son born to him since the birth of Jesus his first born? Whether he has had but one son, or whether, like us mortals, a great many sons? Whether he is able to compose verse? How rapidly can he compose verse? How fierce his disposition is? How great his liberality is? -Your nations having worshipped God and Jesus for so long a time, does any one among you know, How tall Jesus is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? What kind of beard he grows? Of wa
How many heavens are there?
Whether all the heavens are of equal height?
What the highest Heaven is like?神学的,所的答案是众人一齐努力之后凑出来的。饶是如此,我们也知道了一个这样的事实 -- 这位东王所问的所有问题,面对《新约》和《旧约》,都是莫名其妙的。显然,自称亲奉上帝命令来凡间的太平天国东王,连看看基督教最基础的经典这样的表面功夫,也是没有作过的。 然而,我们因为这个就可以嘲笑杨秀清吗?我认为是不应该的。因为在那个时代,封建王朝的皇帝对外国人也是持敬而远之的态度的,一般士大夫,要么盲目排外,要么俯首屈膝,真正能够平静地,睁着眼睛面对洋人的凤毛麟角,掌国大臣中不过是清政府有李鸿章,太平天国有杨秀清而已。尽管杨秀清的水平有问题,试图和英国人沟通的方法也不对头,没有做到知己知彼,但有和“洋人”交往的勇气和行动,而不是将其视作魔鬼,躲得越远越好,已经是满了不起的了。 敢于把门打开的人,总是勇者。 [完]

看完这些问题,估计每个人都会认为东王应该改行去当查户口的,而耶稣他们一家子象是住空置房的。
d of clothes he wears? Whether his first wife was the Celestial mother, the same that brought forth the Celestial elder Brother Jesus? Whether he has had any other son born to him since the birth of Jesus his first born? Whether he has had but one son, or whether, like us mortals, a great many sons? Whether he is able to compose verse? How rapidly can he compose verse? How fierce his disposition is? How great his liberality is? -Your nations having worshipped God and Jesus for so long a time, does any one among you know, How tall Jesus is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? What kind of beard he grows? Of wa
除了这些类似查户口的文字,英国人笼统地描述剩下的问题,说它们都是关于“圣神风劝慰师” – 也就是杨秀清在世界上的使命,太平天国奉上帝之命摧毁满清统治,以及对英国在这场战争中采取中立态度的质疑,

英国人的回答也大致和记载相同。只是有一个细节 –当时英国军舰上没有人是学习神学的,所的答案是众人一齐努力之后凑出来的。饶是如此,我们也知道了一个这样的事实 -- 这位东王所问的所有问题,面对《新约》和《旧约》,都是莫名其妙的。显然,自称亲奉上帝命令来凡间的太平天国东王,连看看基督教最基础的经典这样的表面功夫,也是没有作过的。

然而,我们因为这个就可以嘲笑杨秀清吗?我认为是不应该的。因为在那个时代,封建王朝的皇帝对外国人也是持敬而远之的态度的,一般士大夫,要么盲目排外,要么俯首屈膝,真正能够平静地,睁着眼睛面对洋人的凤毛麟角,掌国大臣中不过是清政府有李鸿章,太平天国有杨秀清而已。尽管杨秀清的水平有问题,试图和英国人沟通的方法也不对头,没有做到知己知彼,但有和“洋人”交往的勇气和行动,而不是将其视作魔鬼,躲得越远越好,已经是满了不起的了。
d of clothes he wears? Whether his first wife was the Celestial mother, the same that brought forth the Celestial elder Brother Jesus? Whether he has had any other son born to him since the birth of Jesus his first born? Whether he has had but one son, or whether, like us mortals, a great many sons? Whether he is able to compose verse? How rapidly can he compose verse? How fierce his disposition is? How great his liberality is? -Your nations having worshipped God and Jesus for so long a time, does any one among you know, How tall Jesus is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? What kind of beard he grows? Of wa
敢于把门打开的人,总是勇者。

[完]d of clothes he wears? Whether his first wife was the Celestial mother, the same that brought forth the Celestial elder Brother Jesus? Whether he has had any other son born to him since the birth of Jesus his first born? Whether he has had but one son, or whether, like us mortals, a great many sons? Whether he is able to compose verse? How rapidly can he compose verse? How fierce his disposition is? How great his liberality is? -Your nations having worshipped God and Jesus for so long a time, does any one among you know, How tall Jesus is, or how broad? What his appearance or color is? What kind of beard he grows? Of wa

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